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Are these situation of hungting some kind of Exploits or cheating?

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Are these situation of hungting some kind of Exploits or cheating?

Post by Creed »

Rules are rules, and rules are dead while situations are alive. There are some situations looks like lawful, and some situations sounds like exploits and cheating?
Let's just discuss some of these situations, do you think they are lawful or not?

A=Strong Build
B=Weak Build or low lvl char

A go and draw all the attention of monsters and go fighting.B stand back,then join the battle.
Situation 1: B is so weak that he can only make damage when he roll 20. A does almost 99.9% DPS in this situation.B makes almost no damage,but he is keeping fighting.

Situation 2: B's attack draw one monsters' attention, and he runs around A's battle field till the end of the battle to avoid death. B does less then 10% DPS and 90% of his time in battle is running.

Situation3: B is good at spells, he just cast a spell to scare or blind or confuse lots of monsters, then stand back until A killed these monsters. B can cast some aoe spells, but A refuse B's suggestion.


B is a cleric or some build can use the healing wand or some build good at healing with kit, and B keeping invisible in battle, he don't join the fighting, but keeping healing A.

Situation4: A is facing some dangerous mosters,and will die if B stop healing.
Situation5: After dealing with some dangerous mosters, A is facing some weak monsters and almost won't get hurt during the battle, B is still keeping invisible in battle, almost doing nothing. B think he is a doctor or someone similar, he only want to heal, but not to kill.

Situation6:A is a mage who want to use his three shields to kill mosters. He can kill one group monsters in 10 seconds;Then melee fighter B joins the party. Together, the party need 15 seconds to kill one group of monters because B draws one or two monster's attention and can't kill them fast. In this case, A demands B to stand back before A has all the attention of monsters. B joins 20% of fighting time and makes 10% damage.

Well... Rules say we can't stand back and just watch. In these situations above, B sometimes joined all the fighting but almost make no damage, sometimes B is keeping doing something helpful except fighting.
In your opinions, which of these situations are exploits and cheating, which of them are not?
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Re: Are these situation of hungting some kind of Exploits or cheating?

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Not sure and I'll probably be corrected, but I suspect the rule about "standing by" originates from a time where huge leveldifferences within parties didn't give XP penalties.
We used to have max difference of 5 levels, this has been increased to 10 levels.....
I don't think any of the situations you describe is rule-breaking, as long as someone is within the levelrage.
So naturally, a party where for instance the damagers are higher level than defenders, you'll quickly get that the damagers give 90% of the damage output.
The situations you describe are in practice much more messy; if someone is so much weaker than the other, sooner or later 1 runaway monster or spell will kill.
I think smelly situations like this will usually bring satanic urges in DMs to make the situations even more messier.... :twisted:

Personally, I think these situations should call only for a DM quickening the 'recipient"'s visit to fugue.
Incomparable to serious rulebreaking, like, for instance, getting questrewards purely on a mechanical exploit. :o

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Re: Are these situation of hungting some kind of Exploits or cheating?

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And Xillie is correct. If I see these situations I bring down more mobs ;)
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Re: Are these situation of hungting some kind of Exploits or cheating?

Post by Lliira »

Creed wrote: A=Strong Build
B=Weak Build or low lvl char

A go and draw all the attention of monsters and go fighting.B stand back,then join the battle.
Situation 1: B is so weak that he can only make damage when he roll 20. A does almost 99.9% DPS in this situation.B makes almost no damage,but he is keeping fighting.
Damage Per Second applied to NWN? :shock:

This is allowed, B is weak and needs the help of A to keep from getting killed.
Creed wrote: Situation 2: B's attack draw one monsters' attention, and he runs around A's battle field till the end of the battle to avoid death. B does less then 10% DPS and 90% of his time in battle is running.


B obviously practices poor sportsmanship, and needs to be kicked from the party. Not an Exploit, but B is a very poor player.
Creed wrote: Situation3: B is good at spells, he just cast a spell to scare or blind or confuse lots of monsters, then stand back until A killed these monsters. B can cast some aoe spells, but A refuse B's suggestion.


This sounds okay, but A should suggest some better spells for B to use.
Creed wrote: B is a cleric or some build can use the healing wand or some build good at healing with kit, and B keeping invisible in battle, he don't join the fighting, but keeping healing A.
Situation4: A is facing some dangerous mosters,and will die if B stop healing.


This is allowed. B is helping, by keeping A alive.
Creed wrote: Situation5: After dealing with some dangerous mosters, A is facing some weak monsters and almost won't get hurt during the battle, B is still keeping invisible in battle, almost doing nothing. B think he is a doctor or someone similar, he only want to heal, but not to kill.


At this point, B is a lazy leech, and needs to be kicked from the party.
Creed wrote: Situation6:A is a mage who want to use his three shields to kill mosters. He can kill one group monsters in 10 seconds;Then melee fighter B joins the party. Together, the party need 15 seconds to kill one group of monters because B draws one or two monster's attention and can't kill them fast. In this case, A demands B to stand back before A has all the attention of monsters. B joins 20% of fighting time and makes 10% damage.


I'd say that A has a huge ego, and needs to find a different game. :lol:

As long as both players are doing something to help defeat the monsters, most of these situations are not exploits. If B is trying to help, whether by fighting, casting, or healing, this is allowed. (Even if B can't hit the broad side of a barn.)

But if A is doing everything, while B just stands around doing absolutely nothing - it is experience farming, and is bannable. BOTH players in this instance are guilty: B for being a lazy leech who takes advantage of the system, and A for allowing or encouraging it.

We realize that the player population is low, but we do request that you party within the server limits of 10 levels difference maximum. If the level spread is more than 10 levels, and you are not in a DM event or in an official playergroup (set up by players for Roleplay) , you are guilty of trying to use an exploit. (Although I do believe that the XP is nerfed for more than 10 levels between characters.)
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